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Guest
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:21 am    

You So Funni
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Amurphy08
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:33 pm    

Saildoggie,
I don't remember if I told you this or not... that evening in CGB when we were on our way to The Elm from the dinghy dock, I remember seeing two policeman standing by Rhymer's looking out and talking heatedly about what to do.... I don't know if it was your incident they were referring to , but I'm pretty sure it was and they looked pretty perplexed as to how to get out to you....

And for what it matters, I remember watching the whole thing unfold that evening and at Foxy's the night before and the people on those other boats were a_ _ holes and COMPLETELY out of line. I think they even started to say something to us at Foxy's. We just ignored them. Saildoggie was more calm than I would have been in that situation..

Amy
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HillsideView
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:02 pm    

Yup, get some folks liquored up and they act like real assholes. Was having dinner at the Big Banana 3 years ago and there were some liquored up people at a table, giving the waitress a real bad time. One jerk kept calling out "Yo Ho, Yo Ho" and waving to her. I suggested he cut it out and he told me, "I'm a pirate" and I said "What a coincidence, so am I. Keep it up and your privateers will be dangling off your buccaneers". Then I asked if they needed an escort out. They left. The poor waitress had been in tears and they just kept it up. Never saw them there again.
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saildoggie
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:21 pm    

Amy. The Police should not have been perplexed.
I told them where our boat is, where the Drunken dipsticks boat is and told them to call my cell# if they wanted one of our crew to pick them up at the dinghy dock.
They could have easily just walked onto the dinghy dock and commendeered the next dink to land!!

Bruce, I'll hang with you, funny stuff indeed, more drunk dipsticks.

Our experience is the drunks are usually fun to hang out with and most of them are happy drunks.....

I mean really, look who we hang out with when we are on ilon!!! doh
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HillsideView
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:40 pm    

saildoggie wrote:
Amy. The Police should not have been perplexed.


Why not? Every other crime on the ilon seems to baffle 'em yikes

They were probably arguing who had to walk on the sand and scuff their shoes up.
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Guest
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:20 pm    

Saildoggie - truly sorry to hear about this. I don't know how you keep such a positive outlook. Good for you!!

What is good for me is that I discovered this forum. And, I discovered that I'm not the only one with TTOL issues. Who knew!
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saildoggie
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:39 pm    

Welcome saillabout and thanks! Everything is on the mend!

Actually Hillside I was hoping to see that big BVI Police cigarette boat with 6 BIG guys in lifejackets with automatic rifles come roaring into CGB with the pretty blue lights flashing!! Cool
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Amurphy08
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:05 pm    

Saildoggie, I agree, they should have known what to do, but obviously they didn't care too much. Very sad.
I actually agree with what Hillside said about not getting their shoes dirty/sandy.... they seem to not want to get off the concrete at Rhymer's!!

You know, if that had happened to me about the reservation at Foxy's, I would have just sat at the bar and had a drink... why get all worked about about a reservation.



Amy
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Amurphy08
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:08 pm    

saildoggie wrote:

I mean really, look who we hang out with when we are on ilon!!! doh


Who are you speaking of?? tonguea laugh
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Guest
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:15 pm    

Hello Mark,

Sorry about not getting out here sooner but things went very bad very quickly with my mother-in-law.

I can backup many of what mark stated happened in CGB. Almost my entire crew wittnessed the assult. I missed the ending of the pounding as I and two other were getting the dinghy to intervien. We were a little slow as the the BBQ was going and the dinghy was wrapped up on the other side of the boat. A few of the ladies witnessed the entire thing. We exchanged a few words with the other boat and headed back. I dropped off the other two and went over to see how Mard was doing. His eye was red where he received many of the blows.

There is nothing that should have ever enlisted that kind of reaction. Out numbered 6 to 1 and at a strategic disadvantage. The caption had to punch down to his knees. There wes nothing Mark could do to defend himself while he attempted to get his painter back.

Mark, I am glad to have met you and shared a few drinks and am glad you move on and had a great time on your vacation.

Cheers my friend, Jim
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Guest
Link to this postPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:53 am    

OK, I've got to vent a little... I really don't think the BVI police are all that different than police anywhere else. There are likely some really good ones, a whole lot of average ones, and some really bad ones.

Whether or not folks feel that they should be able to expect the BVI police to find their own way to their boat in a situation like this, I for one would not expect it. Nor would I expect it from the police at home. In retrospect, I think it would have been a good idea for saildoggie to ask one of his friends (seems like he had several around) to go ashore and meet the police.

saildoggie wrote:
The Police should not have been perplexed.
I told them where our boat is, where the Drunken dipsticks boat is and told them to call my cell# if they wanted one of our crew to pick them up at the dinghy dock.

Perhaps it was just your choice of words in describing your conversation, but it seems that you did a lot of telling them what to do. Did you ask how they'd like to handle the situation?

Sorry for coming across as critical -- so easy to have 20/20 hindsight. God knows what I would have done in this situation.
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MrBombastic
Link to this postPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:03 am    

charliemax wrote:
OK, I've got to vent a little... I really don't think the BVI police are all that different than police anywhere else. .


They have Dunkin Donuts in the BVI????
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Auspicious
Link to this postPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:04 am    

charliemax wrote:
Whether or not folks feel that they should be able to expect the BVI police to find their own way to their boat in a situation like this, I for one would not expect it. Nor would I expect it from the police at home. In retrospect, I think it would have been a good idea for saildoggie to ask one of his friends (seems like he had several around) to go ashore and meet the police.


Everywhere I have lived, sailed, or otherwise visited that touched water had a means for law enforcement to be on the water. The BVI are islands for crying out loud!

Given the geography and charter industry I would like to understand why there isn't a police boat in Great Harbour (covers all of JVD), one in Soper's (covers West End at least as far as Brewer's), one in Road Town (covers South shore), and one in Spanishtown (covers VG and splits Salt/Ginger/Peter/Norman with Road Town boat).

A cooperative arrangment with VISAR could reduce costs and manning requirements.

The biggest deal is probably familiarity and handling training for the officers.
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Amurphy08
Link to this postPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:17 am    

Totally agree Auspicious... A huge part of the BVI's jurisdiction is the water and they should be able to get to any situation out there just as easily. I live on the water here, 5 minutes by bike from a tiny barrier island, and I can assure you that their resources pale in comparison to the BVI's, yet they can respond in less than 5 minutes to any situation that arises.
If they were given all the information about where to go and who was involved, there should have been more intervention than there was.

Amy
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Guest
Link to this postPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:44 pm    

The BVI police DO have presence on the water, but I believe it's limited to emergency response and response to remote areas that aren't otherwise accessible. I just don't think you could justify the cost of having it any other way. In this case, consider the direct cost of sending a boat on a round trip from Soper's to CGB vs. having the police already in or near CGB handle it. Not to mention the indirect cost of maintaining a boat and crew in Soper's 24 x 7.

One of my points that I now realize wasn't stated clearly is that as much as you might like for certain things to be different than they are in the BVI (or anywhere, for that matter), you'd be a lot better off understanding how things really are and adjusting your expectations accordingly. At least until such time as you figure out how to change things...
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