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walker
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:00 pm    

The behavior of the USCG down there is the main reason that we never ever go into US water - and we also discourage anyone else that asks.

Imagine this: You are on your first bareboat charter ever, just off St. John. You are approached by a USCG boat. They pull alongside and instruct you to drop your sails - they want to board and inspect your boat.

You have no reason to worry, right? So you cheerfully invite them aboard. After all, they our your friends, right?

Three officers board your boat, weapons in hand, and say nothing. Two stand guard in the cockpit while one goes below for your "inspection". He does not perform much of an inspection. Instead, he goes directly to your chart table, opens it, pulls out your fog bell and measures it's diameter.

Your bell measures 6.5 inches.

He sternly tells you that your bell is required to be a minimum of 8 inches in diameter, issues you a citation for having an undersized bell in US water, and tells you that you must respond. With no further "inspection", the group then leaves your boat without so much as a pleasant word.

WTF? You basically just got a traffic ticket while on vacation. Were you supposed to bring your own bell?

This exact incident happened to a very good friend of mine about 10 years ago. It took me a long time to get him to come back down - even to the BVI.
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brianhfree
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:21 pm    

We got fishing licenses because from what I understand, BVI law states you need licenses to fish their waters. Sounds unlikely to ever get checked for them. However, out of respect for the country I am visiting, I feel like they should be purchased. I'm a guest in the BVI's and will play by their rules.

Avid boater up here in New England and I know if I found out some visitors to my waters were fishing/lobstering w/out a license, or taking short fish i'd be mighty pissed.

Anyways, back to fishing: what's the deal with the yellow tail's down there, you guys eat them, or do they have Cig?
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walker
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:29 pm    

brianhfree wrote:
However, out of respect for the country I am visiting, I feel like they should be purchased. I'm a guest in the BVI's and will play by their rules.

Now that I agree with. But - I am saying - if, for some reason, you do not have a license - go ahead and fish. No one is going to care.

brianhfree wrote:
Anyways, back to fishing: what's the deal with the yellow tail's down there, you guys eat them, or do they have Cig?

We catch yellowtail on the inshore reef on the west end of Anegada. They are rarely larger than a pound. We eat them, never give it a second thought.
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sail445
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:11 pm    

brianhfree wrote:
We got fishing licenses because from what I understand, BVI law states you need licenses to fish their waters. Sounds unlikely to ever get checked for them. However, out of respect for the country I am visiting, I feel like they should be purchased. I'm a guest in the BVI's and will play by their rules.

Avid boater up here in New England and I know if I found out some visitors to my waters were fishing/lobstering w/out a license, or taking short fish i'd be mighty pissed.

Anyways, back to fishing: what's the deal with the yellow tail's down there, you guys eat them, or do they have Cig?


It's more economical in the long run to get the insurance OOPS I meant the license.
As for the Yellow Tail, for some reason people don't get Ciquatera poisoning from them
Now for Barracuda which is infamous for Ciguatera the people in Anegada consume them and on the north shores of most large islands they do also without getting sick.
So go figure
My opinion is that the currents and wind keep a fresh water flow washing away the poison from the reef.
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sail2wind
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:21 pm    

can you imagine the BVI gov't seizing a Moorings boat?
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sail445
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:39 pm    

sail2wind wrote:
can you imagine the BVI gov't seizing a Moorings boat?


Laughing Anything is possible.
Occasionally BVI C&I boats will go through a crowded anchorage and pull up to a Moorings or Sunsail boat and ask for passports and other ID's (Of course it's strictly business) just because there are blonde BiKini's ladies on deck show's they're not sexists because they're professionals.
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RickH
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Note Hmmmm

sail445 wrote:
sail2wind wrote:
can you imagine the BVI gov't seizing a Moorings boat?


Laughing Anything is possible.
Occasionally BVI C&I boats will go through a crowded anchorage and pull up to a Moorings or Sunsail boat and ask for passports and other ID's (Of course it's strictly business) just because there are blonde BiKini's ladies on deck show's they're not sexists because they're professionals.


So what your saying is if I wear a speedo (think BAD visual) we would never get bothered?
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sail2wind
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:15 pm    

in over 20+ years I have been going to the Virgins, I have never seen a BVI C&I boat

We were coming out of Cruz Bay in our dinghy and there was a dinghy ahead of us and a USCG skiff at the entrance. They put their lights and siren on and pulled over the guy in front of us. We pulled up and he waved us off. We return to our boat and we see the CG and the dinghy pulling up to a charter cat about 2 boats away. When all was clear we dinghied over to the cat and asked what happened. They were not cited but scolded for being in a dinghy without life vests. I don't think i have EVER had a life vest in my dinghy. They did a basic safety check and gave them a list of things the charter company needs to have aboard to make the boat USCG compliant.
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sail445
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:22 pm    

sail2wind wrote:
in over 20+ years I have been going to the Virgins, I have never seen a BVI C&I boat

We were coming out of Cruz Bay in our dinghy and there was a dinghy ahead of us and a USCG skiff at the entrance. They put their lights and siren on and pulled over the guy in front of us. We pulled up and he waved us off. We return to our boat and we see the CG and the dinghy pulling up to a charter cat about 2 boats away. When all was clear we dinghied over to the cat and asked what happened. They were not cited but scolded for being in a dinghy without life vests. I don't think i have EVER had a life vest in my dinghy. They did a basic safety check and gave them a list of things the charter company needs to have aboard to make the boat USCG compliant.


Little by little more and more government control so little Like Political Correctness where people are afraid to talk and express their feelings
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sail2wind
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:36 pm    

what the hell are you talking about? hairy
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sail445
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:42 pm    

sail2wind wrote:
what the hell are you talking about? hairy


I'm talking about to much government control.
To much Homeland security BS that's not for terrorist but to control the populous
Even the brain dead which you seem to be familiar with.
laugh
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walker
Link to this postPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:10 pm    

We catch a lot of fish. The only fish that we don't eat are horse-eye jack, nurse shark, barracuda, rays, and large dog-tooth snapper. A lot of my friends do eat barracuda - I give what cuda I catch to them. We carefully put the nurse sharks and rays that we catch back into the sea - they are gentle creatures. We cut up the horse-eye jack and use it for shark bait. We eat dog-tooth that are 10 pounds or under, the rest go back to the sea.

Ciguatera is real. I have a lot of friends that have had bouts with it, and some still suffer from the effects. We are lucky - fish from the west end of Anegada do not have ciguatera.
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brianhfree
Link to this postPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:50 pm    

great trip. Not much going on in terms of inshore fishing. hooked up with a few strange looking fish on small storm shads when fishing off the back of the boat. saw plenty of tarpons, but couldn't get any to take. Got the boat out to the south drop one day and trolled up a big barracuda, a few black fin tuna, false ablie, and lost a 40-50lb wahoo right off the stern. turned the black fin into some nice sashimi for happy hour.
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ericlut
Link to this postPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:25 am    

How did you access the South drop? I want to get out there in March but I'm a little concerned that our non-fishing crew members will not be happy once we're there if the seas are up at all.
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brianhfree
Link to this postPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:06 pm    

we headed south of Peter's for about 2 miles, then headed west towards norman. Made a few passes over the drop. Seas were 4-6" but with a 50ft cat it wasn't too bad. Not any rougher than it was inside the Drake Channel. the trick is to head down wind. Most of our crew were non-fishers and they loved it. Look for Frigate birds out there, they'll lead you to the fish.
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